January 28, 1994
Location: Paris, France
flying over the Paris region, the crew noticed a large
brown-red disk hovering on the horizon and constantly
changing shape. From the pilot: "This object seemed
to us then absolutely abnormal by its size which seemed
immense, its dark red color and of the fuzzy edges. I
had the impression to observe a gigantic lens in evolution.
It did not resemble anything we had seen in our flying
Pilot and witness to the UFO, Jean-Charles Duboc (at the
Photo of an Air France Airbus A320-111.
UFOCOM (Credit: Ufologie.net - Patrick Gross)
January 28, 1994, at the beginning of the afternoon, the
crew of Air-France flight AF-3532 (Nice to London) observed
an unusual phenomenon. UFOCOM asked some questions to
the pilot and commander of the flight, Jean-Charles Duboc.
The questions asked by UFOCOM are in bold characters.
with Commander Duboc:
were a flight commanding officer at AIR France and on
January 28, 1994, you have encountered an unusual phenomenon
as you were doing the Nice to London flight 3532. Could
you tell what you witnessed?
was indeed commander of flight AF-3532 of January 28,
1994, with copilot Valerie Chauffour, and 24 passengers
have kept a copy of the "OCTAVE", which is the
data-processing follow-up of the flight and I can specify
that above the Paris area at the altitude of 11700 meters
(FL 390), the outside temperature was of minus 59 Celsius
degrees, and with a wind from the North-West had a speed
of1 80 km/h (311°/101 kts). The visibility was of
more than 300 km (150 Nm) and the cloud cover consisted
of altocumulus. The flight encountered no airshakes. The
navigation was under excellent weather conditions, in
spite of the facing wind of almost 130 km/h (70 kts).
That gave us a ground speed of 650 km/h (350 kts). The
takeoff hour in Nice was 00h56pm UT and the arrival hour
in London 02:13pm UT."
was a particularly calm flight, without particular problem.
We arrived above Coulommiers when a steward who was in
the cockpit noticed an object which he thought could be
a weather balloon. This object was then seen by the copilot
and myself a few moment afterwards."
to their description it seemed to have a variable form
and to come very quickly across our road. I first identified
it like an aircraft facing us, at approximately 45 km
(25 Nm), at an altitude of approximately 10500 meters
(25 Nm) and at an angle close to 45°. I found this
slope absolutely abnormal because aircraft are not inclined
at this altitude beyond 30 degrees without risking to
fall down. This object seemed to us then absolutely abnormal
by its size which seemed immense, its dark red color and
of the fuzzy edges. I had the impression to observe a
gigantic lens in evolution. It did not resemble anything
we had seen in our flying careers."
object, this phenomenon, remained motionless while we
left it on our left side, still at an aproximate distance
of 45 km. We observed it during a good minute, conscious
that we were seing something utterly anomalous. We continued
to observe it when it gradually merged with the environment.
We saw it becoming translucid, transparent, diluted in
space. That was absolutely amazing."
some interrogations, we contacted the control center of
Rheims to announce this unidentified object to them, as
we are required by air transportation regulation."
this "object" tracked by your instruments? What
about he black box of flight 3532? Were the communications
between your aircraft and the control center in Rheims
ON BOARD instruments are not intended to locate other
airborne radar is only intended to locate storms in order
to be able to avoid the air movements ascending and descebding,
associated with them, characteristic of these clouds,
the cumulonimbi. During this event, the radar was not
in operation, as it is only necessary in instrument flying
the same way, the black box cannot in any case detect
aircraft or phenomena far away from the plane. On the
Airbus 320, there is a first recorder which is the Quick
Access Recorder (QAR). It records only flight parameters,
speed, altitude, mechanics, engines, electric, etc. It
is analyzed by the maintenance service."
second recorder, the DFDR, has the same recordings but
must support the constraints of an accident. This recorder
is analysed only if a crash occurs or on request of the
crew. As no parameter of our flight has been modified,
the tapes were not analyzed because it would have been
pointless. The UFO was at nearly 45 km of our aircraft,
and there has been no electric or magnetic disturbances."
the other hand, this UFO was approximately 10 km above
Paris, and the Parisian people, under layer of clouds,
were much closer to the UFO than we were. If there had
been electromagnetic disturbances, a few million people
would have noticed it."
communications were always preserved, and it is the same
for the main TV and radio shows!"
were the continuations of this affair, at a professional
and personal level? Have you been interviewd by the civilian
or military authorities?
the immediate, the continuations were non-existent, because
I did not submit a written report to avoid being ridiculed.
It was three years later, as I read an article from Paris
Match, which described how a UFO has been detected above
Paris, that I made the connection between this UFO and
that what I had seen."
then submitted a report to the Gendarmerie Nationale (French
police, having an SOP for collection of UFO reports)."
your testimony transmitted to the SEPRA? Which were the
continuations brought by this branch of the CNES?
report was transmitted by the Gendarmerie to the SEPRA,
and the UFO Committee, was created within the framework
of the Association of the Former Auditors of the Institute
fot the High Studies of National Defense (IHEDN). I was
heard during nearly one hour and half by the group chaired
by General Denis Letty. After discussing about the observation,
we concluded that the object was approximately 300 meters
took note of the radar recordings by the CODED (Operational
Center of Air Defense). There is a very curious characteristic
for the trajectory of the UFO, as it shows that it would
have almost collidedus. The minimal distance on the recording
is less than 1 Nm, that is to say 10 seconds of flight."
kind of observation is traditional in electronic war.
The modern military aircraft are furtive, and at the same
time able to synthesize a virtual image of themselves
by delaying the radar echo. If a missile had been drawn
on this UFO, which was above Paris, it would be our A320
which would probably have been hit by the missile."
think that it is not desirable to shoot fire at this kind
you speak again of your observation with your colleagues
of flight 3532? Which is, now, their feeling about this
never found the steward who was in the cockpit. My various
requests to find the list of the crew fot this flight
were left unanswered by the of the commercial flight crew
personal management (PNC). I had indeed four crew in two
days, and I did not keep the lists of the members with
me, because they are on the on board documentation."
the other hand, I have reexamined the case several times
with the co-pilot who has a very precise memory of the
event, and who wrote a report for the gendarmerie (police)
of the Charles De Gaulle Airport."
can only suggest you asking them about their feeling now."
your pilot career, have you heard from collegues or other
air personal, of similar phenomena?
barely speak about this encounter, and I had the surprise
to note that about one out of ten pilot had observed a
unidentified flying phenomenon."
testimony appears in the COMETA Report, page 11, which
has been publisehd in a special edition of the VSD magazine,
this summer 1999. Were you interviewed by this association?
What do you think of this report, from a general point
I said, I was actually auditioned by the above mentionned
UFO Committee, which took shape in an association named
COMETA. I have recently met Mr. Denis Letty along with
a friend who is flight commander on the Concorde, responsible
for the training of pilots at the General Management of
Civil Aviation (DGAC), in order to study a regulatory
possibility to have a reports form for UFO observations
on the board of all French airliners."
report seemed to me extremely well conceived, written
by high level personalities, and constitutes a reference
for UFO question. It still has some restricted diffusion
because this subject is still one of the three great taboos
first taboo is the cosmic radiation on aircraft. From
May 2000 on, the flying personal will have to carry a
dosemeter and the amount of radiation received each year
will be measured and calculated according to the recommendations
of the project SIEVERT which is developed by the General
Management of Civil Aviation, the Institute of Protection
and Nuclear Safety (IPSN), the Office of Protection against
radiation Ionizing (OPRI), and the Observatory of Paris-Meudon."
crew of aeronautics, as well as astronauts will be soon
classified among the people who receive amounts of radiations
on their workplace. The amount of cosmic radiation received
by passengers or members of flight crew during a Europe
to US trip and return trip is similar to a lung radioscopy,
and this fact is carefully hidden to the crews and the
passengers since nearly 35 years. Indeed, a recommendation
of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO),
back in 1964, requested that the airlines take measurements
of on board radiations on airliners. A modification of
the European regulation in May 2000, European directive
96/29 of May 13, 1996, divided by five the maximum amount
of radiation applicable to the public, which will be able
to take only 1 millisievert per year, instead of five.
The airline pilots, hostesses, steward receive between
two and five mSv per year, which is more than the majority
of the workers in nuclear powerplants."
taboo will disapear when the information circulates in
the general public."
second taboo is the suicide of the airline pilots as they
fly, and it will be shattered by the accident of the EGYPTAIR
990 flight, if the assumption of the suicide of the copilot
is to be confirmed."
third taboo is the UFO phenomenon UFO, and in particular
the 220 visual observations confirmed by radar, among
them is mine. We can thank the COMETA team which, by the
quality of its members, its knowledge, its overview, its
hypothesis, makes it possible to start to discuss seriously
about the sightings from all points of the planet."
December 7, 1999, TV viewers have an occasion to see you
in the "Why? How?" show, animated by Sylvain
Augier and Julie Bhaud, for the France3 channel. As I
took part myself in the recording of this show, I had
the pleasant impression that the questions were not "oriented."
The "And CO" team (producing the show) seemed
opened, although skeptic, and very sympathetic. If the
editing does not suppress it, do you think that this kind
of show can have some utility for general public? What
do you think about the attitude of the medias, in general,
as for their editing of UFO related information?
I wrote above, there are several taboos in aeronautics,
and the reporters who dare to face these interdicts risk
to be ridiculed, but also to have trouble finding a job.
This type of show require curiosity and courage, and the
journalists know that they risk negative reactions, or
aggressive reactions, and derision."
type of emission is very important for it makes it possible
to give previously confidential information to the public.
Information must pass gradually, whereas we must know
that there will be all sorts of reactions."
bottomline of this problem is the maturity of the public."
the public ready to receive the information?
social psychologists can consider the consequences which
an official meeting with an extraterrestrial civilization
would have, if they have several million years of technological
advance. Which upheavals would be induced? Will there
be panic in the population? Which disappointed hopes?
Will we find the best, the worst, or both? Which information
should be given to the public?"
do you think that the origin of the UFO phenomenon is
not our planet?
imensity of the universe, its beauty, its unknown features,
the current technological progress, the space travels,
the orbiting stations, and what I saw, can only convince
me that we are not alone in the universe and that we will
take part, if we do not destroy ourselves, in the community
of the species which travel across the galaxy."
true current problem of our planet is not the existence,
or not, of extraterrestrial civilizations but all the
problems caused by pollution, the accumulation of the
weapons of destruction, fanaticism, totalitarianism, the
overcrowding of our planet."
nous avons quelque chose à craindre c'est peut-être
des autres, mais aussi et surtout de nous-mêmes.
If we have something to fear, maybe it is not the others,
but our own kind."
conclude this interview that you so nicely granted us,
do you have a particular message, a comment to be transmitted
to our readers?
bought myself a 14 inches telescope, and I had a small
astronomical observatory with a cupola of 3,50 meters
will be one of my occupations in retirement, and if I
must leave a message to your readers it is: take the time
to look at the moon, the sun, the planets, the stars,
the galaxies, in the astronomical reviews, a club, or
hope that one day each French village will have a small
astronomical observatory so that the children, and the
teenagers, but also the adults, can satisfy their curiosity
and become open to the mysteries of the universe."