October 31, 1974
Location: Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
was less than 100 yards away and about 200-300 feet up,
and they could see through the red halo as the bright
light "had been swung away" from them. Like
a large hamburger bun, the color of "dirty brass"
it had a base of about 25 feet, then an outer flange.
The diameter of the body of the craft, they feel, was
30 feet. A "belt" of square-shaped windows circled
Drawing of the object by witness Rosa Waidner.
Graham Conway, UFO*BC
September of this year (1975) a member of the Meteor Research
Society in New York City sent me a Photostat of a letter
he had received from Surrey, BC which adjoins Delta where
I live. The letter was lengthy, detailed and carried sketches
of a UFO observed in Surrey. For a variety of reasons
that will become apparent, I, along with Brian Fewster,
visited the writer and completed a 45-minute tape that
described the sighting.)
October 31, 1974, John Waidner and his wife Rosa left
their home in Surrey, BC. The time was 6:50 p.m. and the
evening was damp and misty. It had rained most of the
day, but was fine as they drove north along the highway
to New Westminster where they intended to play Bingo.
five minutes driving, Rosa, who was in the front passenger
seat of their station wagon, noticed a very large bright
light approaching them from the west. Traveling slowly,
it appeared to be about two hundred feet above the trees,
. . . "a BIG light" . . . "a
GIANT star" . . . a "bluish sparkling
light", said Rosa who was in a better position
to observe it than her husband who was driving.
do you see it?"
I see it."
you know what that is?"
a flying saucer . . . look at it John, look at it!"
down to about 25 mph., John carefully studied the craft
that was approaching from his left. A large halo of light,
it dazzled the eyes and made viewing of further detail
impossible. The light was well below cloud level and had
the intensity of a blow torch, also being similar in color.
"Nothing on this earth has a light like that,"
object also seemed to slow down and they had the feeling
of being observed. Still traveling slowly, they detected
no apparent malfunctioning of their car. Suddenly, "whoosh"
from a gliding motion, the object made a 90-degree turn
and zoomed off, still at the same level. "Whoosh,"
another 90-degree turn. Several times, it zigzagged east
and west but never crossed the road in front of them.
During this display, the object was below the trees on
their left as they continued to drive down the highway,
still maintaining the new steady 20 mph.
now, however, a change had taken place in the light's
color. It appeared as a reddish-orange ball that reflected
off the clouds and conveyed the impression of a burning
house. Having traveled about a mile, the Waidners had
reached a wide intersection in the highway, just as the
object returned. Across the street from them, a small
group of children were busily engaged in burning "sparklers".
It was of course Halloween night and, happily engaged,
they seemed totally oblivious of the large object that
had now come to a halt almost overhead. Mrs. Waidner felt
the occupants of the object were curious about the children's
stationary for a few seconds, both John and Rosa made
the most of the time to study the craft. It was less than
100 yards away and about 200-300 feet up, and they could
see through the red halo as the bright light "had
been swung away" from them. Like a large hamburger
bun the color of "dirty brass," it had
a base of about 25 feet, then an outer flange. The diameter
of the body of the craft, they feel, was 30 feet. A "belt"
of square-shaped windows circled the object; two feet
square, they appeared to have raised edges. From these
windows came the reddish-orange light that now radiated
from around the craft in a "sort of fog."
From the base of the craft, another belt of smaller lights
twinkled in sequence, blue, green, yellow. The belt of
windows at the top had, at this point, no lights shining
from it. Rosa estimated the object "was the height
of two tall men." At this point, they had pulled
over to the shoulder of the road and stopped the car,
although the motor was still running. It was here that
John, who up to then admitted to being a hardened skeptic,
verbally conceded. . . "that is something out
of this world" . . . a statement that provided
his wife with much visible satisfaction.
moving away again, the Waidners drove down the highway
parallel to the UFO on their left. A mile further on,
it headed southeast and left them behind. The total sighting
time was 8-10 minutes.
November, Mrs. Waidner wrote to the Vancouver Sun and
her letter was printed. A witness in Burnaby replied claiming
that he saw a similar object the same night.
case has some additional noteworthy aspects that should
This sighting took place only 14 days after David Knutsen
of nearby Whalley photographed a flying circular object.
It occurred less than two air miles from where David took
The object described in this report was seen less than
five air miles from the Port Coquitlam sandpit landing
that took place in August of the same year.
A common denominator, be it coincidence?, is that young
children were present in all three cases.
The region in which this sighting of the Waidners took
place was in the immediate vicinity of an extensive cross
country power grid system. The object was close to, and
apparently at times, traveling over or alongside the pyramid
towers which all center on a large sub station, one mile
west of where the Waidners observed this craft.
I have become increasingly aware of much activity that
apparently centers on a strip that borders Surrey and
North Delta. This zone is about 15 miles long, runs north
to south (as far as the U.S. border) and is two miles
wide. The grid system runs up the center, centralizes
at the transformer station, then branches into an east-west
In November, 1975, I placed an advertisement in a small
local paper seeking witnesses to the David Knutsen sighting.
Although I received no direct confirmation of what I was
seeking, 16 phone calls within four days described lights
and objects seen by observers, many that took place in
the specific area of intense activity.
In May, 1975, a 17 year-old boy told me he had watched
a silvery coloured highly reflective object, at four o'clock
one sunny afternoon, for a period of five minutes. It
remained stationary, then took off at high speed. This
observation took place on the eastern perimeter of this
strip and less than one-half air mile from David Knutsen's
Mrs. Waidner sent her detailed letter and sketches to
New York on August 8, this year. On August 19, the National
Enquirer published a double-paged story of a film in making
that re-enacts the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. The
Enquirer photo has a mock up of the craft the Hills described.
To Mrs. Waidner's astonishment, she noted that the object
she and her husband witnessed was almost identical, the
only discrepancy being that the flange on the Hill's craft
was larger than the one they observed. The Enquirer picture
displayed a "landing platform" that was
possibly retractable and certainly was not visible to
Another and final unusual point of the Waidner sighting
was that during the whole time they watched the UFO, they
were NOT AWARE of another car driving past in either direction!
John recalled seeing car lights "in the distance".
This is a very busy highway at any time of day or night
as it links up with the U.S. border. Yet at 7 p.m., they
never saw another car for a period of ten minutes over
a distance of two miles. I personally find this hard to
believe and wonder if this "scene" was
staged just for them, as if a memory lapse was again induced.
Rosa Waidner is a nurse by profession. She is eloquent
and has an impressive eye for detail. Even one year after
the event, when relating the circumstances, the excitement
of that evening came through very forcefully as she recounted
the details on tape.)